Define spell vamp and life leech please.

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Rathik

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22-06-2011

I am getting a bit confused with this 2.

From what i read spell vamp is for abilites (your Q W E R) and life steal for your auto attacks.

Life leech applies to your auto attacks. I am sure of this.
But what about abilities that do physical damage?

For example Renekton.

Will his Q will benefit from life leech or spell vamp?


What about his E? It applies on hit effects so that does that mean it, it will life leech but not spell vamp?

Another example is Xin Q. When his Q is active it means it will count as an ability and those 3 hits will spell vamp and ignore life leech or the other way around or will he have both bonuses?


Someone that ACTUALLY knows this game mechanic can answer this please.

Please dont assume and drop a random reply.


Regards


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Banana Jlzz

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22-06-2011

Singed doesn't life leech with poison.

if your dealing magic damage...then why not! :-/


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Oglaf

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22-06-2011

There are two kinds of physical abilities:

One kind which are simply "spells" with Physical damage. They benefit from Spellvamp.

One kind which acts as an extension of your auto-attack, such as Gankplanks Parrrley!. These apply all effects from your auto-attack such as Black Cleaver, Frozen Mallet and Lifesteal. I don't own Renekton, but if his E does indeed apply on-hits I would assume it benefits from Lifesteal rather than Spellvamp.


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Hemming

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22-06-2011

Xins Q Is additional damage on top of his current AD, This kind of "Additional damage" which is gained from a buff does not interact with life steal or spell vamp, Like if you have spell vamp you wont get healed by the damage of Red buff because the damage is additional damage not actual damage, If you understand what i mean.


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Catac7ysm

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22-06-2011

Spell Vamp works with attacks and abilities that scale from Ability Power.

Life Steal works with attacks and abilities that scale from Attack Damage,

An easy way to determine whether or not an attack scales from either of the above is hover above the ability with your mouse cursor.

If it says does x damage (+ xx damage) and the bit in brackets is in Red, its Attack Damage, Yellow and its Ability Power.


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Zaldrohir

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22-06-2011

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Originally Posted by Catac7ysm View Post
Spell Vamp works with attacks and abilities that scale from Ability Power.

Life Steal works with attacks and abilities that scale from Attack Damage,

An easy way to determine whether or not an attack scales from either of the above is hover above the ability with your mouse cursor.

If it says does x damage (+ xx damage) and the bit in brackets is in Red, its Attack Damage, Yellow and its Ability Power.
What of combined skills? Like ez's ult or Sivir's Boomerang.


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Hemming

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22-06-2011

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Originally Posted by Zaldrohir View Post
What of combined skills? Like ez's ult or Sivir's Boomerang.
It dosnt matter wether they scale AP or AD, Its the kind of damage it does that counts, MAGICAL or PHYSICAL.
Ezreals ultimate scales with AD but does Magic damage (or maybe it changed i dont know.) Lets say it does magic damage.
Even though Ez build AD and his ult have stacked with AD then it still does MAGICAL damage and therefor it only benefits from SPELL VAMP.


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Crimson Sunbird

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22-06-2011

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Originally Posted by Catac7ysm View Post
Spell Vamp works with attacks and abilities that scale from Ability Power.

Life Steal works with attacks and abilities that scale from Attack Damage,

An easy way to determine whether or not an attack scales from either of the above is hover above the ability with your mouse cursor.

If it says does x damage (+ xx damage) and the bit in brackets is in Red, its Attack Damage, Yellow and its Ability Power.
Thats wrong.Spells are spells and attacks are attacks.
Every Spell benefits from spellvamp except if they apply on hit effects.Ezreal Q , GP Q , Renekton W Doesnt benefir from spellvamp since they are not considered as spells , they are auto attack modifiers.
But Ashe Volley , Vayne E and many more spells that scale with AD does benefit from Spellvamp.Lifesteal only procs when you autoattack or use spells like Ezreal Q , GP Q , Renekton W.
But take that in mind : AOE and multiple targeted spells (like Kat Q) only heals for %33 of your spell vamp.(Means if you have %25 spell vamp , Kat Q will only heal you for %25x(33/100) = %8 of damage dealt to targets.)
So if your Kat Q is doing 100 dmg to each target you will be healed for 8 for each target hit.
Also Skillshots are counted as single target spells (Brand Q for example) so you get full spellvamp from it.

Edit : Sivir Q is a spell so you are only healed when you have spellvamp.

Edit 2: Above post is wrong too.It doesnt matter if you do Physical or Magic damage , it only matters if its a spell or not.


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FaceShot

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22-06-2011

Spellvamp is for every skill or effect as MAGIC DAMAGE outcome (even a passive,item passive,ability)
Lifesteal is for every skill or effect as PHYSICAL DAMAGE outcome (auto-attack, physical damage skills (Which get effects aplied, not all of them)


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Master Los

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22-06-2011

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Originally Posted by Banana Pudding View Post
Singed doesn't life leech with poison.

if your dealing magic damage...then why not! :-/
Yes he does


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