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Dunk's updated Hide and Seek guide!

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Dunk

Junior Member

06-09-2014

Introduction:

• I am Dunk after Duncan the tall from the world of A song of Ice and Fire
• after playing hundreds of Hide and Seek games with varying rules I decided put together my own rule set
• first post on the forums so my formatting will probably be off
• here goes:

General Idea:

• hide and seek is a custom game mode played in Crystal Scar
• draft pick is used in champion select
• In game there are 7 players in total: 5 hiders and 2 seekers
• capturing turrets is not allowed
• 2 seekers have 40 minutes to take down the hiders who have 5 lives each
• in contrast, hiders aim to survive the 40 minutes
• game ends when either all the hiders run out of lives or 40 minutes is reached
• to make the most fun of this mode I highly recommend playing this full premade (or to at least have the majority of players come from your own friendslist)
• this is a precaution to prevent trolls from uniting their forces to ruin your funzies (if you don't have full premade but have the majority you can always capture the points or surrender to start a new game) --> A lone troll is weak!
• if you don't have know that many people familiar or interested to play Hide and seek to form an effective premade you should aim to add fair players you meet in other players' games to play enjoyable games again in the future

Forbidden champions for everyone (bans that apply before draft banning phase):

• Kassadin
• Master Yi
• Rengar
• Evelynn
• Teemo

Hider general info:

• each hider has 5 lives
• allowed summoner spells are Heal, Ghost, Exhaust, Cleanse and Flash
• hiders can leave the base when the game starts at 1.20 but waiting until 2.00 in order to purchase more expensive boot enhancement is allowed
• in case a hider hasn't left the base before 2.30 he'll be reduced 1 life and if he/she stays there for longer other players can decide about additional life reductions
• once hider has left the fountain he can’t recall or walk to base
• hiders may hide anywhere on the map except under their own fountains laser range
• knocking seekers into hiders fountain deliberately is forbidden and leads to 1 life reduction
• hiders goal isn't to harass seekers but to survive the 40 minutes
• 1 helper per 1 seeker is allowed (e.g 1 hider helping other hider if there’s only 1 seeker chasing)
• this enables 3 versus 2 situation if 2 seekers are chasing yet once the helpers have succeeded at helping the targeted hider they must part ways: group running is forbidden.
• no more than 2 hiders are allowed to stay in 1 hide simultaneously
• first offense of aforementioned rules concerning grouping leads to a warning for the first player to exceed to limit of allowed helpers/players in 1 hide.
• however, if the warned player(s) keeps breaking the rule they will get reduced 1 life towards each offense.
• hider is allowed to buy items when he’s dead and should leave the base immediately after spawning
• once a hider respawns, he has 30 seconds of immunity to hide starting from the moment he spawns (this is called grace time)
• hider is obliged to write the time his/her grace ends in All-chat or he has no grace time (e.g you spawn at 14.50; write “/all grace 15.20”)
• grace time ends if a hider is active in any other way then actual hiding (for example: taking the buff in middle, using activated items, blocking seeker skill shots, using CC abilities)
• seekers can’t deliberately follow hiders during grace time
• once seekers decide to recall hiders may never interrupt it
• once seekers health goes below 300 hiders must give seekers a chance to start the recall (generally 3 seconds to start it)
• however, if the seekers carry on seeking under 300 health hiders can keep using crowd control spells on them without repercussions unless the seeker starts his/her recall (recall can never be interrupted)

Abilities for hiders info:

• abilities that contain immediate crowd control are allowed
• auto attacking is forbidden unless it inflicts immediate hard crowd control (stun, snare; Udyrs bear stance, Nautilus root)
• despite not providing hard crowd control some once per -type of auto-attacks that contain other type of crowd control are allowed (for instance, Garen Q is allowed for silence and Darius W is allowed for slow)
• forms of crowd control: knock-up/back, entangle, blind, charm fear, flee, taunt, polymorph, root, silence, slow, stun, suppression
• note: combined crowd control is not allowed (e.g Yasuo Q, Brand stun, Braum passive stun, Kennen Q, W or auto to proc passive)
• note: vision isn’t a form of crowd control: spells that provide vision only are forbidden (for example: Ashe E, Quinn W, Nidalee human form W)
• healing spells are allowed but not at the expense of seekers health (e.g Soraka heal is allowed but Warwick Q isn’t)
• high DPS/low cooldown spells that contain crowd control/escape are not allowed (for example: Ashe Q auto, Gangplank passive slow, Cassiopeia Q, Sivir passive, Katarina W)
• this is to prevent hiders from harassing seekers too much which would be against the main idea behind Hide and Seek

Items for hiders:

• banned items for hiders: Thornmail, Twin shadows, Sunfire cape, Guardian angel, Iceborn gauntlet, Rylais crystal scepter, Frozen mallet
• offensive items are also forbidden (majority of crowd control abilities scale of ability power)
• Items that provide defense, crowd control or movement speed are allowed with a couple of exceptions
• for instance, Lichbane is banned due to being too offensive even if it provides movement speed; buying it isn’t justified as Zephyr gives more MS and tenacity and is cheaper without offensive stats
• buying consumables is allowed
• recommended items: Talisman of ascension, Zephyr, Youmuus Ghostblade, Mercurial Scimitar, Boots of swiftness, Randuin omen, Ardent Censer
• hiders have no restriction as to when or how many activated items they can buy (hiders can still only purchase items when they're dead)

Hiders who are out:

• once a hider runs out of 5 lives he is to have 0 impact on the on-going game
• he has to stay in base and even if seekers come to ability range hiders aren’t allowed to influence them
• vision spells such Twisted Fate R are also forbidden once the named champion is out

Seeker general info:

• seekers may start hunting down hiders (aka leave their base) at 2.00
• all summoners spells are allowed for seekers (only 1 Clairvoyance is permitted)
• working together to catch a single hider is recommended
• seekers can buy, recall or walk to base whenever they feel like
• once the seekers health goes below 300 he is obliged to start a recall
• if the seeker continues to seek below 300 health he risks dying to hiders crowd control (if a seeker dies because he didn’t recall under 300 hp it’s his own fault)
• once the seeker starts recalling he can’t cancel it himself (no fake-recalling)
• if seeker fake-recalls and proceeds to kill a hider thanks to it the kills doesn’t count
• when hiders have their 30-second grace immunity seekers are not allowed to attack or follow them deliberately
• seekers are allowed to use all abilities

Items for seekers:

• seekers are allowed to have 1 oracle’s extract running concurrently after 15th minute
• after 30th minute a second oracle is permitted
• alternatively seekers can buy a trap detection item (only 1 oracle or vision item is allowed to be used concurrently)
• both seekers can have oracles on at the same time only after 30th or they get a 3-minute time reduction
• seekers teams is allowed to buy 1 slowing item before 25th minute and a second after it in total
• examples of allowed slowing items: Frozen mallet, Rylais crystal scepter, Iceborn Gauntlet, Blade of the Ruined King, Hextech gunblade, Randuins Omen
• Twin shadows is banned for everyone
• recommended items for an AP seeker: Lichbane, Blackfire torch, Voidstaff, Rylais, Liandries, Wooglets
• recommended items for an AD seeker: Trinity force, Zephyr(s), Last whisper, Entropy, Blade of the Ruined King, Frozen Mallet

Champion specific information about allowed abilities (for hiders):

Aatrox:
• Q and E allowed
Ahri:
• E and R allowed
• R should be used to escape
• Q is allowed after patch 5.2 but is not allowed to be targeted on seekers deliberately
Akali:
• W and R allowed
• R should be used to escape
Alistar:
• all abilities allowed
Amumu:
• Q and R allowed
• leveling E allowed but using the active is forbidden
Anivia:
• Q, W and R allowed
Annie:
• only the ability that has the stun is allowed to be used on seekers
• getting stun stacks on seekers is forbidden
• E is forbidden altogether
Ashe:
• W and R allowed
• autoattacking with or without Q is forbidden
Azir
• Q, E and R allowed without conditions
• autoattacking with soldiers is forbidden (results in a warning and if repeated in 1 life reduction)
• placing soldiers on seekers is forbidden
Blitzcrank:
• all abilities allowed
• be careful with bursting enemies down from above 300 health
• if a seeker bursted from above 300 hp to death the hider dealing the killing blow gets reduces 1 life
Brand:
• no abilities allowed (see above Abilities for hiders)
Braum:
• autoattacking to get passive stun procs isn’t allowed
• all abilities allowed
Caitlyn:
• W and E allowed
Cassiopeia:
• W and R allowed
• using Q is not allowed (see above Abilities for hiders)
Cho’Gath:
• Q, W allowed
Corki:
• W allowed as an escape
Darius:
• E allowed
• W is allowed (see above Abilities for hiders)
Diana:
• W, E and R allowed
• using Q is forbidden altogether
Dr. Mundo:
• Q, W and R allowed
• using W to harass seekers by standing on them even if they aren’t trying to catch you is forbidden
Draven:
• W and E allowed
Elise:
• spiderform: W allowed
• human form: E allowed
Evelynn:
• banned
• W and R allowed (added abilities for people who get her in all random)
Ezreal:
• E allowed as an escape
• E shouldn’t be used to harass
Fiddlesticks:
• Q, E and R allowed
• W not allowed to heal (see above Abilities for hiders)
• using R is allowed only to escape (not to harassment)
Fiora:
• all abilities allowed with a couple of tweaks
• using Q or R to harass the seeker is forbidden (use them as an escape)
• auto-attacks to get movement speed stacks from E are forbidden
Fizz:
• Q, E and R allowed with tweaks
• Q and E should be used only to escape
• leveling W is forbidden
Galio:
• all abilities allowed
Gangplank:
• W, E and R allowed
• auto-attacking or using Q to proc the passive slow is forbidden (see above Abilities for hiders)
Garen:
• Q and W allowed
Gnar:
• Mega Gnar: all ablities allowed
• Mini Gnar: all abilities allowed with tweaks (auto-attacking to get W procs is forbidden)
Gragas:
• all abilities allowed
• auto-attack after W is forbidden
• be careful not to burst seekers down from above 300 (you get reduced 1 life if you do)
Graves:
• W and E allowed
Hecarim:
• E and R allowed
• W is not allowed to heal (see above Abilities for hiders)
Heimerdinger:
• only E allowed
• placing down turrets for vision is forbidden
• only E is allowed to be used with R (I know upgraded Q would slow but as it is high DPS it is forbidden)
Irelia:
• Q and E allowed
• Q allowed only as an escape
• R not allowed to heal (see above Abilities for hiders)
Janna:
• all abilities allowed
Jarvan:
• all abilities allowed with tweaks
• Q and E are allowed only if used together
• using Q and E separetely leads to a warning (if repeated Jarvan gets reduced 1 life)
Jax:
• Q, E and R allowed
• Q allowed only as an escape
Jayce:
• hammer stance: Q and E allowed
• cannon stance: E allowed
• R allowed
Jinx:
• W and E allowed
Kalista:
• only R allowed
Karma:
• all abilities allowed
• empowered W not allowed
Karthus:
• W allowed
Kassadin:
• banned
• E and R allowed (added abilities here for people who get him in all random)
• R is not allowed to be used on seekers on purpose
Katarina:
• E allowed
• using W to get movement speed is not allowed
Kayle:
• Q, W and R allowed
Kennen:
• E and R allowed
• to Q, W and auto-attack to proc passive stun is forbidden (see above Abilities for hiders)
• E should not be used on seekers
Kha’Zix:
• W, E and R allowed
• auto-attacking to proc passive slow is forbidden (see above for Abilities for hiders)
Kog’Maw:
• E allowed
• never go full Kogmeow in hide and seek
Leblanc:
• W, E and both of them mimicked are allowed
• using Q at all is forbidden
Lee sin:
• all abilities allowed with tweaks
• Q only allowed as an escape (not to harass as dealing pure damage isn’t an allowed form of helping)
• if you use first part of Q you should always use the second part
Leona:
• all abilities allowed
Lissandra:
• all abilities allowed
Lucian:
• E allowed
• W is banned altogether (see above Abilities for hiders)
Lulu:
• all abilities allowed with minor tweaks
• E not allowed on seekers
Lux:
• Q, W and E allowed
• detonating E on seekers before it explodes naturally is forbidden as it provides no additional crowd control when it explodes
Malphite:
• Q, W and R allowed
Malzahar:
• Q and R allowed
Maokai:
• Q, W and E allowed
• since the 4.11 changes Maokai's saplings get the same treatment as Shaco's boxes:
• stacking saplings in order to do more damage is forbidden since the slow doesn't stack
• sapling stacking: putting down 2 saplings or more within range of each other so closely that they can attack 1 target simultaneously
Master Yi:
• banned
• Q, W and R allowed with tweaks (allowed abilities added for people who get him in all random)
• Q allowed only to dodge spells or autoattacks
• using Q to harass leads to a warning and if continued to a 1 life reduction
Miss Fortune:
• E allowed
Mordekaiser:
• W allowed
• using abilities to proc passive shield is forbidden
Morgana:
• Q, E and R allowed
• be careful not to burst from above 300 health
Nami:
• all abilities allowed
• W should not be used on enemy intentionally
Nasus:
• W and R allowed
• R shouldn’t be used to stand on and harass seekers if they aren’t actually chasing Nasus
Nautilus:
• all abilities allowed
• using 1 auto-attack to proc passive root is allowed (however, if Nautilus keeps auto-attacking for more he gets a warning and a 1 life reduction if he still does it)
Nidalee:
• cat form: W allowed as an escape (not to jump on seekers)
• human form: only E is allowed
• Nidalee’s human form W is forbidden
• despite her new passive she still can't use Q or W to gain movement speed in human form
Nocturne:
• all abilities allowed with tweaks
• R should be only used as an escape
• Q can not be used on seekers - results in a warning and if repeated in a 1 life reduction
Nunu:
• all abilities allowed
• be careful not to burst seekers down from above 300 (doing so leads to a reduction of 1 life)
Olaf:
• Q and R allowed
Orianna:
• all abilities allowed with tweaks
• Q not allowed to be used on seekers on purpose (it can be used to position the ball for her W or R but using it only to harass without crowd control is forbidden)
Pantheon:
• W and R allowed
Poppy:
• W, E and R allowed
Quinn:
• Q, E and R allowed
• E should only be used as an escape
• the second activation of R is forbidden to use on seekers deliberately
Rammus:
• Q and E allowed
Rek'Sai:
• Q not allowed in either form
• both forms of W allowed
• burrowed version of E allowed, unburrowed version banned
• R is allowed
Renekton:
• W, E and R allowed
• E and R should not be used to harass
• do not stand on the seekers with your ult if they are not chasing you (or use E on them)
Rengar:
• banned
• W, E and R allowed with tweaks (added abilities for people who get him in all random)
• W is not allowed to be used on seekers (using it on seekers results in a warning and if continued in a 1 life reduction)
Riven:
• W and are allowed without any conditions
• Q is allowed on condition that only the third windslash that contains the knock-up is used on seekers
Rumble:
• W, E and R allowed
• be careful not to burst seekers down from above 300 health
Ryze:
• W and R allowed
Sejuani:
• Q, E and R allowed
• auto-attacking and using W to proc either passive or E slow is forbidden
Shaco:
• all abilities allowed
• why did the seekers not ban shaco from you?!
• box stacking is forbidden
• box stacking: putting down 2 boxes or more within range of each other so closely that they can attack 1 target simultaneously
Shen:
• W, E and R allowed
• Shen can't use his R on hiders who are already out
• be careful not to exceed the 1 helper per 1 seeker rule when you decide to help with your ultimate
Shyvana:
• W and R allowed
Singed:
• W, E and R allowed
Sion:
• Q and W allowed
• second activation of W is not allowed to be used on seekers deliberately
Post-rework:
• Q, E and R allowed without conditions
• W shield allowed to block damage (using the shield explosion to harass seekers on purpose is forbidden)
Sivir:
• E and R allowed
• getting passive procs in any way is forbidden
Skarner:
• W, E and R allowed
• using Q on seekers forbidden
Sona:
• W, E and R allowed
Soraka:
• W, E and R allowed
Swain:
• Q and W allowed
• using R is forbidden to heal (see above Abilties for hiders)
Syndra:
• W and E are allowed without conditions
• Q ball can be casted but not on the seekers (doing this leads to a warning and if repeated to a loss of 1 life)
Talon:
• W, E and R allowed
Taric:
• Q and E allowed
Teemo:
• banned
• Q and R allowed (added abilities for people who get him in all random)
Thresh:
• all abilities allowed
Tristana:
• W and R allowed
Trundle:
• Q, W and E allowed
• using R is not allowed (see above Abilities for hiders)
Tryndamere:
• all abilities allowed
• E should only be used as an escape
Twisted Fate:
• gold card and red card allowed when using W
• R is allowed if Twisted Fate uses it to escape
Twitch:
• Q and W allowed
Udyr:
• W and E are allowed (turtle and bear stances)
• you get enough procs to your passive from those 2 alone
• auto-attacking once in order to inflict stun on a seeker is allowed
Urgot:
• W and R are allowed
• using Q even with W on is forbidden
Varus:
• E and R allowed
Vayne:
• Q, E and R allowed
Veigar:
• E allowed
Vel’Koz:
• Q, E and R allowed
Vi:
• Q and R allowed
Viktor:
• W allowed
• using R is forbidden due to high DPS even if it silences briefly
Vladimir:
• W allowed
• using Q is forbidden at any point (see above Abilities for hiders)
Volibear:
• Q and E are allowed
Warwick:
• R is allowed (be careful not to burst as Warwick can’t cancel it himself)
• Q is forbidden to use even for healing (see above Abilities for hiders)
• leveling E is allowed
Wukong:
• W, E and R allowed
• E should be used to escape
• R should be used for the knock up; Wukong is not allowed to stand on seekers intentionally when his ultimate is on
Xerath:
• W and E allowed
Xin Zhao:
• E and R allowed
• Q and W not allowed (see above Abilities for hiders)
Yasuo:
• W and E allowed
• E only as an escape
• Q or R are not allowed (see above Abilities for hiders)
Yorick:
• W allowed
Zac:
• Q, E and R allowed
Zed:
• W, E and R allowed
• R should be used only as an escape
Ziggs:
• W and E allowed
Zilean:
• W, E and R allowed
Zyra:
• E and R allowed without conditions


Feedback and pointing out factual and grammatical errors appreciated. Have fun!


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Best Maokai BR

Junior Member

06-09-2014

sounds very nice


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Yrel

Senior Member

06-09-2014

I Roose of house Bolton lord of the Dreadfort and warden of the North do upvote this.


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Crossberg

Junior Member

06-09-2014

Great to see an updated ruleset Dunk great work!


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General SpareRIB

Junior Member

06-09-2014

Quote:
Roose:
I Roose of house Bolton lord of the Dreadfort and warden of the North do upvote this.


This guy..... nice ruleset. Boltons should be banned IMO. But I understand the need for balance.
<3.


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Dunk

Junior Member

06-10-2014

Thanks for kinds words! Added champion specific ability list to the main post. Might require some editing..

Quote:
Roose:
I Roose of house Bolton lord of the Dreadfort and warden of the North do upvote this.


What is dead may freely buy items and rise again harder and stronger.


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Jiyx

Junior Member

06-11-2014

Much cc, such hide, very wow
Love this mode and it's great fun playing!


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HobyXXL

Junior Member

06-13-2014

Hahahha, Dunk, pretty nice rules^^


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Akshuly is Dolan

Junior Member

06-14-2014

Is there a ban thread to look at who to stay away from and a list of known rule followers or should we start one?


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Dunk

Junior Member

06-14-2014

Quote:
SN Giggled:
Is there a ban thread to look at who to stay away from and a list of known rule followers or should we start one?


Doubt it. I think it's against the forums terms to publish account names here without their owners permission. (not sure though)

If you want to have good games you can add me (saying to others folks, I got you already :S). I got quite a bunch of fair players on my friends list and host frequently. Most common game names: "Hide and Seek || Dunks rules" or "Hide and Seek || All Random". If someone breaks rules once he gets a warning. Second time and he's on my own blacklist. There won't be a third time though.


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