What Proxy-Singed is, by Cool Stranger.

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Hydramis

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12-06-2013

[CENTER]I know what hard counter means and that's exactly what those 4 champs do to a proxy Singed. All 4 have extremely quick waves clears without taken much damage. The whole strategy of proxy Singed is to have your creeps reach the turret unencumbered and take out turrets. However, those 4 are able to tank/clear the creeps in the "safe zone" without much trouble at all so the creeps never reach the turret.




Jayce and Nasus can not clear as fast as Singed, not even close. If Nasus maxes Spirit Fire he's severely limiting his Q so Singed is winning the battle. If Jayce uses Q/E to shove the wave, Singed can just go brawl him because Jayce wasted most of his burst already.





I'm trying to explain this without being condescending but you seem to be discussing this with the logic of someone without much game experience or understanding. One of the greatest benefits of Proxy Singed is that he pushes so fast that he [/CENTER]

A.Forces people to skill order differently than they wanted to.
B.Forces the jungler to camp top and waste time chasing Singed
C.It causes Singed to have an advantage in trades because he doesn't need to waste Cooldowns to shove.


Example: If nasus maxes E to keep up then he's missing out on Q damage and Q procs. If he doesn't max E he can't push as fast as Singed which means Singed can brawl him with creep wave advantage, forcing Nasus to miss out on even more CS.


There's a lot more strategy to Proxy Singed than just LOL TURN ON Q AND RUN

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It goes like this. You start with flask, ward and pot and you have teleport summoner.
You go behind enemy top second tower and farm with Q. At 6 you farm top and mid wave in enemy base with R and Q.

Pros:
Enemy top, mid and jungle lose exp and gold trying to chase you.
Allied jungler and mid gain easy kills in enemy jungle because of singed dot trail.
Your team gains gold and significant level advantage.
Top then mid tower are pushed by your minions.
It goes on when you have tear, rylai, you can easily farm 2x top and mid waves in enemy base before escaping.
If enemy team chase you they lose hp and get easily ganked.
If they dont chase you, they get pushed and you gain a lot of cs.

Cons:

You will die much more than usual, often by executes.
Requires teamowork.
Enemy team must be stupid to chase you, your team must be smart to gank them.
Does not work well if your teammates have less then at least 1000 games.
Certain tops with great farming counter this, tanking your waves and farming them without problem.
If you have kids in your team this tactic will scare the **** out of them - and you will be getting reports.

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Its risky, its fun, its very frustrating for the enemy if your team mates are experienced.
If you have people who open with dorans and boots, who start qq on your 1st execute you know its a fail :]


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Cephas Elerium

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12-06-2013

Bumped and liked for truth/justice


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Nerro13

Senior Member

12-06-2013

So what are those 4 counters you speak off?


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Caridor

Senior Member

12-06-2013

Two massive cons:
You must intentionally feed.
It is exploiting the bounty mechanics to give yourself an advantage, which is unquestionably bannable.

I'm sorry but the whole strategy is very dependant on the concept of lowering your bounty by giving the enemy kills and it is undeniably an exploit of a system designed to reduce the negative impact of a bad player. Both of which are very clearly bannable.

So yeah, Proxy singed is effective, if you don't mind ****ting on the summoner's code.


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KEBAMBA

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12-06-2013

gg KDR


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Nerro13

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12-06-2013

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Originally Posted by Caridor View Post
Two massive cons:
You must intentionally feed.
It is exploiting the bounty mechanics to give yourself an advantage, which is unquestionably bannable.

I'm sorry but the whole strategy is very dependant on the concept of lowering your bounty by giving the enemy kills and it is undeniably an exploit of a system designed to reduce the negative impact of a bad player. Both of which are very clearly bannable.

So yeah, Proxy singed is effective, if you don't mind ****ting on the summoner's code.
A proxy Singed must never intentionally Feed. He must try to escape at all times. This is what most people get it wrong with. He enters the enemy zone but he shouldn't go there thinking,"Oh okay I'll get a few creeps and then I'll die and be worth no gold. YOLO right?" He is suppose to try and escape and be aware of his surroundings. Giving a severe gold advantage at the early stage is never a good thing. That is what most people don't get.


Secondly,the game has a set of rules but the mechanics were never a part of it. This Mech was made such that any champion who dies a lot should be considered a lesser champion as opposed to the one who is winning. This mech,regardless of playing proxy Singed,was already used by experienced supports which is why most of the time,supports choose to die over their ADC. by which each time we die,we exploit some advantage over disadvantage. Proxy Singed just uses this mech in an open scale. No one cared if support died (T_T) but now that someone annoying has come along,it's a problem.

Take this for example. Zyra was committed to becoming an AP utility mage at the beginning of her release. When I played her as a support,they said I was crazy. She was designed in such a way that her plants and her spells would work effectively with each other(Unlike how I play. I just spamm those *****es.) But soon people realize that having a utility mage as a support is viable since it can save lives as well as do severe damage. Riot never wanted people to play utility mages as supports. They created them to be mages and that's it. But people get creative. They think,they design and they do what other think is crazy. And came birth of new metas,AD thresh and the ever failing blue Ezreal. Proxy Singed is just a realization of several things from the people and is created by imagination. Evil imagination but non the less imagination. And of course like to every pros there are cons. And by that means,it's neither broken nor defying any summoner code. Well atleast that's what I say.

Bottom line. People need to learn how to play proxy Singed rather than have an intent in feeding.


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Caridor

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12-06-2013

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Originally Posted by Nerro13 View Post

Secondly,the game has a set of rules but the mechanics were never a part of it. This Mech was made such that any champion who dies a lot should be considered a lesser champion as opposed to the one who is winning. This mech,regardless of playing proxy Singed,was already used by experienced supports which is why most of the time,supports choose to die over their ADC. by which each time we die,we exploit some advantage over disadvantage. Proxy Singed just uses this mech in an open scale. No one cared if support died (T_T) but now that someone annoying has come along,it's a problem.
Ok, I'm going to ignore the argument about intentionally feeding because I know we won't agree but I'm going to address this.
First off, exploiting the mathematical mechanics of any game worth it's salt has always been bannable and thats exactly what this is.
Second the support example doesn't hold up. A support's job is to make sure the ADC gets as fed as possible as soon as possible, at whatever cost. If this means sacrificing their life, then so be it and a support won't get their bounty increased again because they deliberately do not get kills so that the ADC will.
Singed however, doesn't have this excuse. Singed is in a solo lane and isn't giving his life to save someone else, nor is he letting a kill go to get someone else fed, he is simply doing it to keep his bounty low.

TLDR: Supports get low bounty through actions to aid the ADC, Singed gets low bounty to get low bounty.


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Kansokusha

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12-06-2013

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Originally Posted by Caridor View Post
Two massive cons:
You must intentionally feed.
It is exploiting the bounty mechanics to give yourself an advantage, which is unquestionably bannable.

I'm sorry but the whole strategy is very dependant on the concept of lowering your bounty by giving the enemy kills and it is undeniably an exploit of a system designed to reduce the negative impact of a bad player. Both of which are very clearly bannable.

So yeah, Proxy singed is effective, if you don't mind ****ting on the summoner's code.
That gap in the Summoner's Code is pretty easily bridged by communication. If you plan to use proxy Singed, you should probably let your team mates know. There's nothing in the code that says you can't kill yourself intentionally. Tactical executions is a useful part of the game. The problem is just how you come across to your team and how they react to it.


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Caridor

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12-06-2013

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Originally Posted by Kansokusha View Post
That gap in the Summoner's Code is pretty easily bridged by communication. If you plan to use proxy Singed, you should probably let your team mates know. There's nothing in the code that says you can't kill yourself intentionally. Tactical executions is a useful part of the game. The problem is just how you come across to your team and how they react to it.
So telling them that you're going to exploit the bounty mechanic, makes it ok, even if they don't want you to?


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Kansokusha

Member

12-06-2013

I don't see why you think exploitation of that mechanic is against the rules. And no, that in itself doesn't make it ok. If there's a conflict of interests, you need to resolve it. I would report someone if they locked suicide Singed without a word and genuinely cost us the game.