Issue with LP gains in Division I

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RiotYegg

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02-02-2013
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Hey summoners,

We've identified an issue affecting many players in Division I of their tier in the new league system. These players were gaining very little LP from their wins, such that a single loss could wipe out the LP gains from two or even three wins We've been working on this for the last several hours and now have a plan of attack. Here's an explanation:

What's going on?

There are some additional checks and balances that are applied to players in Division I because the system needs to be sure that they're ready to move to the next tier before they qualify for their Promotion Series. Because of this, LP gains can be clamped for Division I players if their MMR is far from where it needs to be for the next tier. This check was tuned too aggressively and was causing the reduced LP gains that many players were seeing.

How are you going to address this?

We're going to attack it in two ways: in the short term, we're going to be tweaking the tuning values to make this check less punishing for players in Division I, which should make it much more feasible to gain LP over the course of multiple games. We're also going to be specifically addressing the Silver I case by slightly reducing the difficulty of qualifying for Gold tier. I'll update this post when that happens, hopefully tonight. UPDATE: These tweaks have now been applied.

In the longer term we have some further ideas that we want to explore to make the tuning feel better, and we'll be listening to your feedback to identify areas that can be further improved.

What about the games that I won during this period?

Your wins were not ignored or forgotten by the system. If you won more games than you lost during this period, then your MMR is now higher than it was, which will increase your future LP gains and make it easier to qualify for that elusive Promotion Series.

What about if I was demoted out of Division I?

Demotions are based on MMR and are unaffected by LP gains and losses, so unfortunately the demotion would have happened regardless of this issue.

Thanks everyone for bearing with us while we work out some of the kinks in the new system. We're dedicated to continually improving it, so please keep letting us know what doesn't feel right and we'll keep looking into it.


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Kameh

Senior Member

02-02-2013

Well , i don't want to be rude but ...Are the values correct for the rest of the Divisions ?
I`m pretty sure the question on everyone's mind right now is " Will the system stay as it is ? "
Will we still need ~2,5 wins to make up for a loss in other divisions ?
For some reason i still feel scared to dive into Ranked games for the future week.


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Domeiki

Senior Member

02-02-2013

yey ;D i've been waiting for this


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02-02-2013

So when exactly will this apply? Is it live already? Becouse me and a freind duo Qued, he already got gold, while i still sit in silver 1, was wondering if i get placed into the best of 5 Series or anything, but if the Point System is fixed, it shouldnt be that hard to get to them, if i dont win 4 points a game again xD

If i now mess up my Gold elo (like in season 2 1496 highst elo) I will be kinda pissed xD

atleast thx for the update and the fix

keep it up


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Mauseleum

Member

02-02-2013

Want to know the same, when are these changes applied? For now it seems I still got only 1 lp from 5 game winstreak and 1 loss after that -.- Will it be fixed like, today? Throw us a bone here!

LP Accumulation at silver 1:
1 -> 8 -> 14 -> 36 -> 54 -> 36 -> 18 -> 35 -> 55 -> 35 -> 56 -> 37 -> 21 -> Ok, im tired to this ****, imba nobos loosing my games when everytime. Having positive stats on everygame, and they failing on everything they do, I cant carry nearly enough as they feed. Riot ur matchmaking sucks hard.

Updating this as I progress!!!

Seems like it works, but the teams are still uneven. Having positive stats in all games while allies seem to be from 0.9k elo and feed like there is no tomorrow, funny thing is that they are usually higher than I am -.-


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warlik86

Senior Member

02-02-2013

i love the part in the new ranked system where i f.e gain 15 LP and loose 25-30 for a lost game. gg riot, made ranked much more fun haha


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Giefbeer

Senior Member

02-02-2013

"Demotions are based on MMR and are unaffected by LP gains and losses, so unfortunately the demotion would have happened regardless of this issue."

Won 3 lost 3 demoted. 'kay


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TheFigureHead

Senior Member

02-02-2013

Fixed yet?


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TheFigureHead

Senior Member

02-02-2013

This needs to be stcky'd also


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Inferno7

Member

02-02-2013

Well this does nto look exactly as an aggressive attitude but actually as a mistake..Winning 4 games gets me to 30 Lp and then losing a game with 2 ppl (yes 2 ppl in my team) afk since 10 minutes brings me down to 3 points

Looking bad sadly...


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